On obs studio u have to choose a filter, even if i'm not downscale/upscale. Then maybe i selected it but not using it at all? I heard lanczos not much better
that's upscaling/downscaling filter, make sure you record resolution is same as output resolution, it's in the settings-video tab, in your case both are supposed to be 1920x1080 (the filter process will be ignored then)
You,can also change recording fps on there, that's why I asked you does Twitch allow you to record in 57fps lol
I've studied video encoding as a hobbit for 4 years, and unfortunately I've eventually found you get what you paid
the best way to get small file size, decent quality and speed all together, you need bare minimum a ryzen 3600x or i7 8700k running x264 with low latency ram, and that's the baseline acceptible you are looking for
but that may offer a good quality, it's not going to be the case on file size, if you dare want extra 40% size reduction, get 10 cups of coffee or upgrade your CPU
how about x265? well, you can get 3fps on a 3800x / 9900ks for a 65% size reduction, but if you use is's potential for the best file size and quality, x265 will beat down a 3970x into a 6fps snail
Disney had a house sized expensive video rendering supercomputer, and it take weeks to sqeeze out a clip movie, it's very difficult to compress and render video, you can't judt cheat through
Display More??
There are millions of people who want to upload videos created with Premiere to Youtube but have problems either because their file is too big or because final quality on Youtube is not enough good.
What do you not understand in this simple concept of wanting to upload a video of a reasonable size to have a satisfactory rendering on Youtube?
To say that there is no solution is not an acceptable answer; So I offer mine to the community,
because there is no such thing,
if you want speed and quality, you get huge file size;
if you want file size and quality, you get very low speed
if you want high speed and file size, you get bad quality
especially if you are using a budget computer
Display MoreHello, I disagree with your message...
I'm talking about the weight / quality ratio for Youtube destination, so by also considering upload time which is a problem for many people, therefore lossless formats are irrelevant.
No, the GTX1000 series is not the most efficient for the quality / weight ratio since it does not support B-Frames for HEVC. The object of the discussion is not the encoding speed which I consider sufficient with Nvenc.
GTX 16x0 and RTX cards have almost same performance and quality for encoding,
(and
GTX 1650 Super with GPU TU116 4Go GDDR6
GTX1650 with GPU TU106 4Go GDDR6
GTX1650 with GPU TU116 4Go GDDR6
GTX 1650 Ultra with GPU TU106 6 Go GDDR6
But not
GTX1650 (original) with GPU TU117 4Go GDRR5
GTX 1650 G6 with GPU TU117 4Go GDDR6
)
I do not see the point of doing 4:4:4 starting from 4:2:0 which is largely what is more popular on Youtube. The normal user is not going to do this, he will be content with the complexity of the settings of software like Handbrake.
I think that you are lost in your settings and that you forget the main thing which is not to have fun with tons of parameters but to have an effective generic solution for the majority of users who want to quickly put a video on Youtube and get a good quality.
uh... yeah... but... there's no such thing to get good quality and concerning file size with a push of button, unless you are going lossless (and buy an enterprise SSD to spped things up
)
(or watch video on a smaller mobile phone screen XD)
Display MoreOh ok, I'll stick with none then, do you think subme is really important and pump down other settings instead?
Right now I'm using this:
"1080p59.94 fps
Bicubic filter
Color 709 partial
Preset: veryfast
Profile: none
CRF: 22
Bitrate: 7777kbps
Buffer: 3500kbps
Keyint: 2 (twitch want this)
tune:none
Options:
me=umh subme=5 chroma_me=0 bframes=5 b-adapt=1 ref=3 aq-mode=1 aq-strength=1.1
deblock=0:0 trellis=2 direct=temporal cabac=1"
done like 10 hours stream with this right now with no losing frames, stream looks good and I'm pretty happy with it, but if u think I can pump up subme and turn down other things for better result, then better.
At the end, I don't know how to thank you, you replied to everything I asked ❤️ and even if I'm not an expert, I'm in love with this forum, thanks to you.. Thanks for all the time you dedicated to me and (plot twist) I love your avatar, even if I don't know the anime. Have a good day,
Ciommi
try to remove bicubic filter (not sure why you are having a filter) and make color depth to full instead of partial, that will improve your quality
my avatar in a touhou project character in a IOSYS flash music video
Later when you upgraded encoding CPU to 2700 in 4Ghz or 3800x default with RAM under CL16 latency in 3200mhz, I guess you can boost subme to 7~10 range, and use other parameters like no-fast-pskip=1, after all these you can bump bitrate from 7777 to 7800, this should give a much better quality at hard scenes
Youtube compresses your video, so the bestquality you can get is to upload original project output or give enough size of the file in a lossy compression, so the video would only be compressed once
also qp27 is way too much quality drop, consider qp17
for lossless, use cineform (not sure how to do that)
for the smallest file size possible, use hevc yuv4:4:4, its in voukoder but for now you have to manually input a hundred settings in this post
for the minimal lossy quality, use apple prores 422
for speed/lossless, buy a RTX 2000 or higher series hard, use built in hardware encoder on the Turing/Amplere or higher chip
for no visible lossy quality and convinience, use x264 yuv4:4:4, which is in voukoder
for speed without concerning visible loss, buy a GTX 1000 card, use built in Pascal hardware encoder
Yes and I love the fact that on non-movement scenes the bitrate is lower, without losing quality. But on hard scenes don't know if the quality beat nvenc.
edit: I'll test 900p with your preset today, maybe I can go higher then veryfast.
edit2: why not profile high? just asking
profile is just a limiter of how much value can be used for most parameters, default not set
CPU profile is actually called 'preset' in encoder include x264, it's just a set of parameter that can be override by manual input parameters, default is medium
I went full custom, so they basically are not set, but you definitely can try if it benefits
Display MoreOh yea, amd rocks and Intel money grab start end finally.
BTW, actually I have no money to spend on a new cpu 😭 so is there a way to beat new nvenc chip with my 8 core 16 thread or do I have to wait to upgrade the gpu on my stream rig with a nvenc card? The good thing is that new 3000 series doesn't have a better nvenc quality but still the same, then I could put a 1650 super (soon cheaper) on my stream rig and be fine.
Anyway I'm still mad, I can run 8k medium high profile cbr and probably really close to nvenc quality, but I was dreaming about a secret command that can beat nvenc, abuse vbr to win this war 😭 but u telling me that for beat that fu**ing nvidia need a 24+ core cpu and for me it's not worth anymore, nvidia won this time Feelsbadman
For now, at least until I'll have money to spare, I'll try to go in 900p, where as I know, nvenc shine less or atlest 8k bitrate will look good and smooth, at least on smartphones 🤷
Nope, Nvidia didn't win this, the quality roughly lies down here:
Lossless > Apple Prores 422 > CRF > CRF+VBR > RTX Nvidia GPU > ABR > GTX Nvidia GPU > CBR > ...
Right now you are using CRF+VBR right?
I solved my previous issue, but the render is slightly more saturated than the source, despite not making any adjustments.
check you media player, it might have poorly designed decoder, or added filters
You can try use a different media player like mpv which is now the best option unlike potplayer's broken color schemes
I've reinstalled the Premiere now. Also connector and plugin itself. As soon as I save new preset it becomes doing these freezes. Anyway I can debug it further? Adobe Premiere 2019 just hangs and then windows says it is not responding. I tried a lot of time loading AP2019 without saved preset and it was working fine. When I saved the preset, closed the AP2019, opened it, tried to export media and bang. frozen.
uhhh, do a harddrive health check just to make sure it's not dying, be quick as if it is the problem then you need backup files asap
Display MoreOk i'm gonna try that. Maybe leaving the "mbtree" part. 8k bitrate is already too low for 1080p60fps, what's the best commands for best quality generating the lowest bitrate? Thanks iAvoe
edit1:
btw i need to put "2" in keyframe, as twitch need that.
edit2: ABR or VBR?
That question actually lies in a triangle, like fast, goodquality and smallfile, you can only pick 2 points at a time and the 3rd point would become the opposite, if you pick in the middle then it would be the default quality, speed and filesize, which is also meh, so the best option is actually to upgrade your CPU, so you can unlock the 3rd dimension (a tetrahydron lol), the new point would be the computing power, which allow you to use extensive compressions, so more quality can be packed within the same bitrate
also, x264 can easily eat off 90% of a 9900k or a 3900x and still give a 10fps speed, and I disabled lots of options in the parameters for you just to keep a 60fps speed
ABR does give a much faster speed (designed for fast encode in 90s' hardware), but the quality it gives might not match with a RTX 2000 series card's hardware encoder in the same bitrate, and VBR focus on quality as long as you are in the bitrate line, and it's too slow on a 4 core CPU, until thanks to AMD made 8 core CPUs as a performance standard
Display MoreOk, i'm here after a lot of testing.
Last preset you gave me hit a lot on cpu, losing frames. I had to go on veryfast, and even go down on subme 5 to give me a window for hard foliage scene.
I'm using this for my 1080p60 stream
CPU Preset: veryfast
Profile: none
CRF: 22
Bitrate: 7777kbps
Buffer: 3500kbps
Keyint: 0 "Auto"
film
Options:
me=umh subme=5 chroma_me=0 bframes=5 b-adapt=1 ref=3 aq-mode=1 aq-strength=1.1
deblock=0:0 trellis=2 direct=temporal cabac=1
Stream looks really fine, still not perfect but the 8k bitrate should be better for something like 1600x800 resolution. I wanna keep 1080p for better youtube editing.
The bitrate control seems perfect and my cpu hit max 90% on high foliage intensive scenes. With veryfast and subme=6 i was fine but sometimes the cpu hit 100% losing some frame, and i cant risk.
Tell me if there is a better compromise instead subme to decrease for get some perfomance room.
No luck on fast, even faster, unlucky
But maybe i can overclock a bit in the future.
Btw i'm streaming Call of duty warzone right now, and if i can help, you are welcome.
Thanks for u help, lovely forum
There are other settings can do, try add/change “ me_range=14 trellis=1 deadzone-inter=8 deadzone-intra=4 bframes=3 aq-mode=0 nr=25 ” “ Bitrate: 7850kbps ”
Also you may need to turn off “ tune: film ” as “ tune: none ” that could turn off some functions that boosts foliage scene quality, which might have caused you to drop frames
and there is a setting can free a lot of CPU usage and boosts quality, but it might generate too much bitrate that actually downs quality, test with caution XD “ mbtree=0 ”
and yeah, definitely overclock your CPU, it should be more stable because there's no graphic card dragging the PSU and generating hot air in the case
Display MoreThanks a lot for your help. I dont need any fps limiter cause the cpu is on a full streaming dedicated rig, means i have a capture card and the game running on another pc.
Anyway i always try the stream recording locally, using the "use streaming encoder" for recording.
I just dont get the "1920x1032 57fps" if i capture in 1080p. Pls tell me more. For now I'll try that in 1080p cause twitch standards are 16:9
I usually use CBR, but now i'm going to test your settings in vbr. I'm exited, thank so much!
EDIT:
Ok i tried the parameters and runs ok, the bitrate fluctuate from 7k to 8k on fast scenes using veryfast, cpu hit max 40% max. Then i tried medium and still 0 lose frames with max 50% cpu, the bitrate fluctuate from 6k to 7k on fast scenes. Then i tried slow, but i started lose frames. The quality look meh, a lot of blocks probably worse than standard normal medium preset, maybe the high profile it's worth a lot?
Maybe I can leave veryfast and pump other settings? waiting ur thoughts, sempai, thanks so much
Wow you actually have a dedicated rig, in that case because encoding used much more CPU than any game I know, if you have a better CPU in the gaming rig, swap it with your streaming PC.
The reason for 1920x1032 resolution is to discard a portion of graphics to compute, so get less quality drop in some very high motion scenes, and because most people watch videos on their 18:9 mobile phone (I assume?), they won't notice that border at all
However since Twitch don't like non 16:9 videos, you might still can cheat with 1888x1062 with no resize, just record in a smaller centered window, this is a tiny bit smaller than 1080p and still in 16:9 but I doubt this one would look as good as full 1080p 
I've left a pretty low setting above, you can try this set of options (leave the unspecified settings as the previous), but I doubt this would be smooth enough:
CPU Preset: medium
Profile: none
CRF: 22
Bitrate: 7777kbps
Keyint: Auto
Options:
me=umh subme=6 chroma_me=0 bframes=5 b-adapt=1 ref=3 aq-mode=1 aq-strength=1.1
deblock=0:0 trellis=2 direct=temporal cabac=1
If above settings doesn't work well, change from medium to fast
Just saying you probably looked over some things like profile none, use strong AA, make sure you apply those 
Can you also tell me about the game you records? I can actually take a note as I need that to improve my tutorial
Hey do you consider get rid of 2080ti? I can do 450 (joking)
Display MoreGoodmorning, sorry i'm new. Amazing post, thanks for posting this.
I'm a twitch streamer, whats the best commands for help high motion games? maybe i have to work on Motion search Adaptive Quantization and Loop Filter?
If u have any advice would be amazing
edit: are the commands in order of cpu hungry from the top to the bottom or are they random? whats the lightest? I have a 1800x dedicated streaming pc 8core 16 thread, streaming 1080p60 8000k bitrate. Thanks again and sorry for my english
That depends on your CPU, because adding more stuff to compute could blow up your 1800x usage, you can do average bitrate mode so your CPU usage is a lot lower, or crf+vbr mode with best quality when you are not going over 8000k as you wanted, both modes are for streaming.
1800x is not good enough for crf+vbr mode, so you need a lot of free performance boost with these steps:
1. record in 1920x1032 57fps (assume you stream with OBS)
2. limit game fps to 60 maximum, this will free up a lot of CPU usage as GPU wil call CPU send frames to render, and then reduces GPU temperature which gives more heating room for CPU
3. enable vertical sync because this will output cleaner frames to encode, resulting better quality, this does reduce fps but gives CPU more heating room as the GPU gets cooler
4. use strong anti aliasing unless it has resulted a crash, because a smooth picture is much easier to compress, and frees up CPU compute power for referencing frames, etc
5. if you save your streaming as recording, make sure recording, game and OS are on 3 different drives
R1. If your streaming video/audio bitrate is tied together, reduce audio bitrate to 160kbps
X1. In OBS, you can set your streaming method as ABR or VBR (in the advanced menu if I remember it right), select x264, and try,the following setting, but make sure you test in recording mode before stream, because I suspect the CPU usage would just blow up in high motion and complexity scenes, I'll try make an ABR mode setting if it doesn't record smoothly
Rate Control： VBR
Keyint： 5
Bitrate： 7666kbps
CPU Preset： veryfast
Buffer： 3500
Profile： none
CRF： 23
tune： film
Parameters： me=hex subme=4 me_range=12 chroma_me=0 bframes=3 b-adapt=1 ref=3 aq-mode=2 aq-strength=0.9 deblock=1:0 trellis=1 deadzone-inter=8 deadzone-intra=5 direct=temporal cabac=1
Oh, really? I use it only for output of draft cuts, and for that purpose it's the best solution. Fast with ok quality - what else?:) And for final output I use x264 of course, it's way better than H264 native output in Premiere, but slooooow...:)
You probably need to upgrade, or your are having a long video with heavy renders
select “mp4” instead of “avi”, so you should unlock more codecs
My Nvme SSD died a month ago and it took my operating system with it, data lost, so when encoding fails in halfway, it's 90% chance that something is overheating, which in my case is the graphic card blowing hot air on it
I have so many failed attempts. All i ever reach is that my screen goes black and then says no signal, as if my GFx card dies.
Yep, that is definitely a hardware issue, could be powersupply, GPU, NVME SSD that overheats
If you are using Nvenc, you can actually revert Nvidia driver, that might fix
